Hello nordlicht,
Danke!
Yes, that makes more sense than any other explanation I was coming up with!
I am not used to seeing that sort of docket on that area of a cover, but it fits perfectly.
Rob
Hello nordlicht,
Danke!
Yes, that makes more sense than any other explanation I was coming up with!
I am not used to seeing that sort of docket on that area of a cover, but it fits perfectly.
Rob
I am re-showing this letter from New Orleans in the US to Kurnik, by Posen. Then, in Eastern Prussia, but a Polish community.
It pays 28 cent per 1/2 ounce rate via Prussian Closed Mail.
I am wondering if someone can help me with the blue and red pencil markings found in the center of this envelope.
I thought, at one time, that the blue word was just "Orleans." But, I had no idea why it would be written there. Now I doubt myself.
Also, I see the red pencil markings and wonder if this is some internal accounting. But, that makes no sense to me.
Thought welcome on this.
Rob
Tim,
Always a pleasure to help when I am able. And I learned something new!
Rob
Tim,
It is just my opinion. But, I see that marking as May 8.
It seems odd to me that it would take any more than two days to get from Aachen to the destination in Bavaria. So, it feels like it fits better with the Inman sailing in 1858. Are there contents that give you the 1858 year date or are you using the sailing to identify the year?
Best,
Rob
Ralph and Tim,
Thank you for the explanation. That is clear to me now.
Tim,
I am looking at the New York, April 24 marking. It reads "Am Pkt," which indicates an American contract ship. Cunard Line is British contract, so would read "Br Pkt". I will try to look at your interesting cover more closely later today.
Thank you for the kind words regarding my Sunday writings. I am glad you enjoy them.
Rob
Tim,
I think your cover was carried on the Inman Line's City of Washington, departing on April 24, 1858 (a Saturday) from New York and arriving at Liverpool on May 6. This works well with 2 days to Aachen.
I am, unfortunately, having trouble translating what you and Ralph are saying about the marking on the back. Could I get a little help so I can understand?
Best,
Rob
Hello collector friends!
Here is an item from Kamerun to Switzerland. I presume it is an overpayment by 1 pf for the UPU rate. Otherwise, I know very little about this topic area.
I will take the time to read the prior posts and see what I can learn.
Have a wonderful day/night everyone.
Rob
Danke Ralph,
It is good that I read the 2nd cover correctly. My instinct told me the first was properly paid, but I had no resource to tell me the rates to be certain.
I have a few more new items that I picked up in Chicago last weekend at the Great American Stamp Show. I hope to show them in the forum in their proper places over the next several weeks.
Rob
Hello again!
I realize the previous post may not belong here now! So, if it needs moving, please do move it to the proper place.
I think this cover does belong here. 1865 date marking on the back.
18 kreuzer to pay postage within DOPV plus registration.
Distance from Sonneberg to Leipzig should be 15-30 meilen
So, my guess is that was a 2nd weight level letter rated at 12 kreuzer for postage
Registration was then an addition 6 kreuzer
This should account for 18 kreuzer in postage.
Have I read this item correctly?
Thank you for any help!
Rob
Hello friends!
I have a folded letter from Mainz to Le Hague in Holland as shown below. POstage paid is 16 kruezer. I do not have resources to help me with the foreign postage rates on this one. Letter is dated Sep 25, 1861.
I wonder if someone can give me some help on this one.
First, what was the postage rate for Thurn & Taxis to Holland at this time - and are the start and end dates for that rate structure easily available?
Second, I wonder about the markings at bottom left. I presume they show a breakdown of the postage.
Many thanks in advance!
Rob
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Here is Ralph's reply with information on this folded letter. I had posted this originally in the wrong thread and his response did not transfer to the proper one, so I include it here:
16x letter: Prussia (for the GPU = DÖPV) made a contract with the NL 1.4.1851, which knew 5 sections:
2 sections in the NL up to 10 miles (75 km) = 1 Silbergroschen or 4 Kreuzer an the towns over 10 miles from the Prussian border 2 Sgr. = 7 Kreuzer.
Germany consisted of 3 parts: Up to 10 miles, over 10 - 20 miles and over 20 miles, or in other words: 1 Sgr. = 3 Kreuzer for the first rayon, 2 Sgr. = 6 Kreuzer for the 2nd rayon and 3 Sgr. = 9 Kreuzer for the 3rd rayon.
16 Kreuzer = 3rd rayon from Germany to the Prussian - NL border plus over 10 miles = 2 Sgr. = 7 Kreuzer for the Dutch post.
This contract ended 31.12.1863, when a new and simpler contract from Prussia with the NL started one day later with 12 Kreuzer (4 Sgr.) postage for prepaid letter (8 Kreuzer GPU, 4 Kreuzer NL).
What was written in the left lower corner? 9 Kr. for Taxis, 7 Kr. "Weiterfranko" for the NL, which was 2 Sgr., which were 10 NL - Cents (red ink = Taxis, blue ink = Prussia.
Dieter,
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing what you learned here.
Rob
Very nice. Thanks for taking the time to share these.
Rob
Hello all,
The route via Ferney/Fernex was more prominent in the early 1850s for mail from the Geneve area in particular. But, as rail developed towards Bellegarde and connecting Geneve to Pontarlier and Basel, Fernex became less important.
Rob
Dieter,
Alas, we don't want Ralph to cry!
Sadly for me, I have shown all I have for mail from France to the Netherlands.
But, it was fun to share what I do have!
Rob
And, one more from the earlier rate before I get back to work.
Sadly, for Ralph, this one is perforated. But, I like to show part paid examples and sometimes you can't have everything.
Insufficient Postage
Marseille May 9, 1863
Lyon A Paris May 10 (verso)
Affranchissement Insuffisant
6 decimes due
Amsterdam May 11 (verso)
30 cents (Dutch) due
Ralph,
Not blue, but "old school" without the perforations.
Double rate item from France to the Netherlands.
Double Weight Letter
St Etienne Jun 27, 18592 porto (double weight)
Clermont A Paris Jun 28 (verso)
Paris A Quievrain Jun 28 (verso)
Utrecht Jun 29 (verso)
Be well,
Rob
Not exactly the same blue stamps - but blue nonetheless. Same rate. Just different stamp issue.
Rob
From the prior rate period. 60 ctms per 7.5 gms : Apr 1, 1852 - Mar 31, 1868
Bordeaux Oct 13, 1856
Bordeaux A Paris Oct 13
Amsterdam Oct 15, 1856 (verso)
During this rate period, the postage for unpaid and prepaid mail was the same between the Netherlands and France. The subsequent agreement between the two countries in 1868 left the unpaid amount at 60 centimes per 10 grams, while the prepaid rate was reduced to 40 centimes.
LOL Ralph.