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Hallo Ralph,

Thank you for the replies, it is appreciated. I figured out how to attach files and fixed the post above, probably prior to your seeing it.

I offer this link: https://gffpostalhistory.blogspot.com/2018/01/letter…to-belgium.html
This is a page from my own postal history "blog." I use the blog as my own learning tool so I can put new information together as I find it. Posts are subject to change as I learn more. The page shows my understanding of the topic as of the edit date. There are likely errors in my writing and understanding.

I am certain others know far more than I do on this topic. If people are willing to correct me or offer me suggestions for resources to forward my own learning, I always appreciate it.

Sadly, the farming season is starting (once this snow melts). Then I will not get to work with postal history for a time.

Rob

Uf! Sorry about that. I thought I had loaded a scan of the letter.
Date line is July 20, 1832 from Bologna

no backstamps.
Rob

Danke,
It is a favorite of mine.

I noticed that several here like the social philately portion, so I thought I would add it.

Rob

Danke!

The help is appreciated.

Realizing that the Ausgabe marking I show in the previous post doesn't belong to this cover.... I must have misnamed the scans and I'll have to do some looking.
I must have confused some other comment I heard elsewhere about being able to differentiate the receiver markings form place to place. Yes, it makes perfect sense that it would be applied at the receiving post office.

thank you for the railway suggestion. I see the link to maps in another post and I will look at them as well. I do have a scan of a period 1861 rail map that helps me, but the development was very rapid in the 1860's throughout Europe. Much changed by 1866.

Best,
Rob

Hello all!

Here is a prepaid double rate item from the U.S. to Saxony in 1866.

Rate:
Saxony 2 x 28 cent rate per 1/2 ounce (Sep 1861 - Dec 1867)
N. York Br Pkt 14 paid
PCM 10 cts - surface
4 cts - Belgian transit
US 10 cts - surface
32 cts - British packet

Route:
New York Mar 27 1866
by St Africa
Boston Mar 28
Cunard Africa
Queenstown Apr 8
Aachen Franco Apr 10
Ausgabe Apr 11 (verso)

I do have a couple of questions that perhaps can be answered in this forum.

1. Ausgabe markings: Is there a way to identify where an Ausgabe marking was applied?
2. Rail routings to Saxony in the 1860's. Aachen and Coln would be certain, I think - unless it took the northern route via Dortmund? Then Cassel, Eisenach, Leipzig.
I suppose it could have routed southern as well?

Thank you in advance.
Rob

Hello!
This thread looked lonely - and the nice cover previous to this needs another friend!

Rate:
Baden 2 x 28 cent rate per 1/2 oz (May 1863 - Dec 1867)
Boston Br Pkt 14 Paid
Prussian 10 cts - surface
4 cts - Belgian transit
US 32 cts - British Packet
10 cts - surface

Route:
Boston May 2
New York (May 3)
Cunard Persia
Queenstown (May 13)
Aachen Franco May 16
GR Bad Bahnpost May 16 1865 (verso)
Bondorf May 17 (verso)

I am not certain about the German rail route.
It appears to be Aachen, Coln, Koblenz, Mainz
Enter Baden at Mannheim? Probably train most of the length of Baden until Freiburg, then coach to Bondorf?

Is the GR Bad Bahnpost marking specific to a particular railway segment or border entry?

Best,
Rob

Hello all!

Here is a letter to Russia from the prior rate period. Perhaps it helps show the "14's" use. I think the 14 handstamp on the prior cover would be a US marking.

Here is the postage breakdown:
Russia 2 x 37 cent rate per 1/2 oz (oct 1852 - apr 1863)
2f - zweifach (double rate)
Portland ME Am Pkt 46 (amount due to the US since treated as fully unpaid)
US 32 cts - US Packet
10 cts - surface
4 cts - British Transit

Prussia
24/4 (silbergroschen)
24 sgr - international
4 sgr - internal
Russia
112 (kopecks on verso)
20 kp - internal
92 kp - to Prussia

Route:
Gorham, ME Feb 2?
Portland Mar 1 (1862)
Allan Bohemian
Liverpool (Mar 14)
Aachen 3/16 (verso)
guessing from here: Berlin, Konigsberg, Vilnius and St Petersburg. With rail changing from Prussian system to Russian prior to Vilnius.

Josiah Pierce: Appointed secretary of the US Legation in St Petersburg in 1855, Pierce moved on to work for Winans, Harrison and Winans in 1858. This company built and equipped railroads between Moscow and St Petersburg.

I hope this helps and is enjoyable for others to see.
Rob

Hello all!

Since I collect US to Europe mail in the 1860's, I thought I would try to share some in these threads.

I figured out how everyone is putting attachments on the posts - I will fix the others if people feel that I should! I just missed the tabs at the bottom.

The France-US Convention ran from April 1857 to December 1869 and the postal fee was 15 cents (US) per 1/4 ounce or 7.5 grams.

This item weighed between 1/2 and 3/4 ounce (15 to 22.5 grams) and was a triple weight letter. It was prepaid 45 cents US with 1861 issue stamps. The red "45" handstamp indicates the amount due. The red pencil 36/3 indicates that 36 cents were credited to France for a triple (3) weight letter. 9 cents were kept by the United States for surface mail. France broke the 36 cents down by giving Britain 18 cents for the Atlantic packet and 6 cents for the transit from Britain to France. 12 cents remained for the French surface mail.

the letter started in Newport, Rhode Island on December 4, 1866 and went to the Boston exchange office. The Boston British Packet Paid marking showed that the US counted the letter as fully paid and that it would be carried on a British Contract ship across the Atlantic. The December 5 date indicates the scheduled date of sailing of the intended packet, which was the Cunard Line's Africa.

The Africa arrived at Queenstown on December 15 and then the ambulatory Calais post office on December 18. The letter likely took the Irish Mail train from Queenstown to the Holyhead and Kingston Packet as it went to London and then most likely Dover.

The French put a PD to indicate that they agreed the item was fully paid to destination. The red French transit receiver reads Et. Unis Serv Am Calais. Technically, this should probably read Serv Br, but I find that this part of the marking isn't consistent with the actual carriage of the mail.

There is a single receiver marking in Paris on December 18 on the verso.

Best,
Rob

Hello!

Reading is slow for me, but I am still learning many things.

I am wondering if anyone can help me figure this item out. It is outside of my normal area.

What I think I know about it:
It started in Bologna and transited via Milano (LT marking). I guess it then went via Como and probably the Splugen pass on the way to Wohlen.
(edit) - Date line is July 20, 1832 from Bologna

no backstamps.

But, I have no idea about rates and I'd be happy to hear more about routes if someone knows.

Thank you!
Rob

I enjoyed reading this thread and picked up some new information - my thanks!

Is there a location where one can view the actual text of the postal agreements between Belgium and France for 1858 and 1866?

I will try my hand at attaching pictures - hopefully it will work. I see it does not look like other posts - what am I missing?

Below is an example of the 40 centime per 10 gram rate effective April 1, 1858. I assume with the Par Tournay marking that this went via Lille and crossed at Tourcoing on its way to Tournay. If I am wrong, I am happy to learn.

Rob

Thank you for the kind comments.

Laurent, merci, I have viewed a couple of the articles and enjoyed them. It is a good way to improve my French reading. One does not use other languages in the state of Iowa much at all - so little practice.

All, I am getting used to the board and it takes time to read and learn how things work. I hope to participate more over time.

Rob

Thank you to Tim for sponsoring my inclusion on this board and to Ralph for being kind enough to encourage me to make an introduction post.

Rob

I realize this is an old post, but I thought I would add some more information if it is wanted. if not - well I still add the information.

Typically, there is a 2, maybe 3 day gap between arrival at Liverpool and the arrival at Aachen.

In 1858, it would have taken 3-4 days to get from Cedarburg, Wisconsin to New York. This provides additional support for the Inman sailing in 1858. This much delay between the New York departure on 20th and the Cedarburg departure on the 13th would show that it missed an earlier sailing in the week (Wednesday by Cunard) and it had to wait longer for a ship departure. Since it is an American packet, we have to assume it missed the British packet on Wednesday, which makes it a Saturday sailing.

Rob

Thank you for allowing me to join this forum. I am sorry that I only know English. I can read some French and bits of other languages, but it takes time for me to do that.

My name is Rob Faux and I live in the United States (Iowa). I am a vegetable and poultry farmer. As a result, I am often unable to do things with the hobby during the growing season. Winter is my time to enjoy postal history.

My main area of interest in mail from the United States to other country in the 1860's. I have an exhibit that features postal history with the 24 cent 1861 series United States stamp. If anyone needs help with trans-Atlantic mail, I might be able to help. An example of some of the research I have done in this area and a few pictures of some of the items I collect and exhibit can be found here .

I have expanded my interest to mails in Europe during the same period (1860's). I am still trying to learn this area and would be happy for the chance to get help.

Best,
Rob