Franz,
You are welcome.
The Paris A Clermont is bahnpoststempel.
Rob
Franz,
You are welcome.
The Paris A Clermont is bahnpoststempel.
Rob
To buzones,
Ralf, what is a good resource for internal mail rates for Spain in the 1800s? Is there such a thing?
Rob
Here is another example of mail from France to Spain at the 40 centime rate that was underpaid.
This time, they paid 40 centimes for a single weight letter, but it was found to be a double weight letter.
Unpaid rate of mail from France to Spain was 18 cuartos / 4 adarmes
Double rate due = 36 cuartos
Less amount paid = 12 cuartos (40 centimes in France)
Total due = 24 cuartos
I have more detail for those who might like to read more at this https://gffpostalhistory.blogspot.com/2020/09/france-to-spain-1866.html
Rob
****EDIT to fix incorrect information****
This item was insufficiently paid. It was a double weight letter, but paid as a single weight.
However, insufficient paid mail was rated at the same rate as unpaid mail, then credit was given for any postage paid. so, the recipient still gave the post office more money!
Franqueo Insuficiente
(insufficient postage paid)
2 (in blue) - double rate letter
90 (in blue) - 90 centimes due
9 (handstamp) - 9 decimes due
Due Amount Calculation
60 ctm x 2 = 120 ctm
less 12 cuartos paid = 40 ctm
+5 centimes for "droit de factage"
= 85 centimes
rounded up to decimes = 9 decimes
Rob
Hello everyone!
Franz is showing items prior to the 1860 postal agreement between France and Spain, so I thought I would share something after that agreement was active.
This item was sent to Spain as a double weight letter, but it was rated as a triple weight letter.
Short paid mail was rated as unpaid mail at destination. Then, they gave credit for any postage paid.
unpaid mail from France to Spain is charged 18 cuartos for every 4 adarmes in weight.
Triple rate due = 54 cuartos
Less amount paid = 24 cuartos (80 centimes in France)
Total due = 30 cuartos
I have a much longer explanation here:https://gffpostalhistory.blogspot.com/2020/09/france-to-spain-1868.html
Rob
Here is something from Austria to Italy during the next rate period that started Oct 1, 1867.
All I saw was "from ........ Germans"
hard to see.
Rob
Here is an item from Belgium to France with the 40 ct rate.
I have a full description and additional information on this blog post for this cover for anyone who has interest.
https://gffpostalhistory.blogspot.com/2020/09/belgiu…rance-1865.html
Rob
Hello Franz,
On the back of this cover, the markings are
Belgium : France MIDI 2 Fevr 20, 1874
France: Paris A Clermont Fevr 20, 1874
Clermont-Ferrand Fevr 21, 1874
Clermont-Ferrand is located west of Lyon in central France.
MIDI station was located in Brussels, Belgium.
Rob
I agree that this is a double 16 nkr rate, similar to this one from Trieste to Bologna. I do not know the breakdown between nations for this at the moment.
Rob
Ralph,
Yes, we agree.
And, it is good to post here again.
I thought I would share an item I picked up at some point this year. My reason for picking it up is the Bonneville exchange marking. Like the Morteau marking, I am trying to slowly pick up decent examples of some of the less common exchange offices in France with bordering nations.
Rob
It is my understanding that short paid was to be treated as completely unpaid according to the active treaty at the time. But, maybe I misread it?
That means the first cover makes sense.
Martin,
Danke fur die hilfe!
Rob
I am curious.
What was the purpose of the ALLITOLAG marking?
Rob
Martin,
Wonderful! Danke!
Please stay well and safe.
Rob
Hello all!
I have an item that is outside of my current knowledge and I could use a little help if possible.
This is an envelope sent from Pest (Hungary) to Florence (Italy) in 1872. It is registered with an adhesive and wax seals on the back.
There is an "8/10 Loth" marking on the front for a weight. The 25 is likely the rate (15 kr + 10 kr registry)? Unsure about the red crayon and the calculations at top right. And I have not had luck translating the boxed markings into something that makes sense to me.
Allitolag -> Allegedly
Herment -> ?? Hermetic?
the reverse showing the postage adhesive (10 kr) - I assume to pay the registry fee.
I find it a bit odd, however, that there are no receiving marks in Florence or any transit markings.
Again, help in the form of ideas, references, facts, etc would be appreciated to help me move forward a bit more.
Best,
Rob
Here is a link to Hays Store, NC.
bayerjager,
re: post 473
Two possibilities that might lead you to the answer.
1. There was a Hays Store in North Carolina - a small town that no longer exists as far as I can tell.
2. It is actually more likely that this was a mining establishment - Hays Stone may be a reference to that. Here is a document that might provide an answer?
I hope this helps.
Rob
nordlict,
This item did go via the Inman Line from New York (Jan 28) on the City of Baltimore. Arriving at Queenstown on February 9.
It would have gone by rail in Ireland to cross the Ireland via the Kingston/Holyhead Packet. From there by rail to London. Cross the Channel to Ostende and then the exchange office at Aachen on Feb 11. There is an Ausgabe backstamp for Feb 12 (see image).
Ralph,
You are always so kind to look at so many posts and respond to them. If you didn't make a mistake (though rarely) we would not think you human.
All is well.
Rob
Hallo nordlicht,
Thank you for the comment. Actually, a ship to Bremen or Hamburg made a stop at Southampton where the mails to Europe other than those to Hamburg/Bremen mails were offloaded. So, about the only shipping line in 1865 that would not have been eligible would be the French direct line.
You would be correct that it was paid for Prussian mail, so it would not go via Bremen or Hamburg. But, the docket 'by first mail' would still mean that they should put it on the first ship that gets it to the destination - and that would have included HAPAG and NGL.
Hallo Ralph,
Yes, 30 cents is ok to Saxony as the prepaid rate prior to September 1861. After that, the rate for prepaid mail was reduced to 28 cents, but unpaid mail was 30 cents. Since this is prepaid, it is over franked by 2 cents.
And, I agree. While the 24 cent 1861 is known for its "special" shades, I prefer the postal history. This one was not described as 'blackish violet' at auction, so I was able to acquire it. With current definitions, I wonder if it would certify as one, but I am not interested enough to pay for the opinion.
Best,
Rob